Transcript: Nightly Business Report – January 28, 2016

NBR-ThumANNOUNCER:  This is NIGHTLY BUSINESS REPORT with Tyler Mathisen and Sue

earnings bar was high and Amazon (NASDAQ:AMZN) didn`t clear it, sending
shares sharply lower in initial after hours trading.

(NYSE:CAT) warns of a tough year ahead.  What that says about the world
economy and other companies that do business abroad.

MATHISEN:  Money 101.  What one high school is doing to help its students
become better managers of their own money.

All that and more tonight on NIGHTLY BUSINESS REPORT for Thursday, January

HERERA:  Good evening, everyone, and welcome.

The Dow rose triple digits on the busiest day for earnings this season but
the big news basically came after the bell with three major reports,
headlined by a big miss from Amazon (NASDAQ:AMZN).  And its stock is paying
the price.

The online retail behemoth earned a dollar a share.  That translates into
its largest quarterly profit in its 19-year history.  But investors wanted
more, a lot more.  Expectations were $1.56 per share.  Revenue came in shy
of estimates despite rising more than 20 percent from a year ago.  And as
for its shares, they were punished initially after that report.

Jon Fortt has more on Amazon`s results.


Amazon (NASDAQ:AMZN) earnings is really the top line revenue.  Wall Street
was looking for, $35.9 billion in revenue, they got $35.7 billion.  EPS
also missed.  But really, it`s that overall growth that`s been driving the
valuation for Amazon (NASDAQ:AMZN).

Amazon (NASDAQ:AMZN) web services did well.  That actually beat despite
high expectations.  But the stock fell after hours on that top-line number.

We`ll have to see the impact is on other high-valuation stocks because this
is certainly one of the ones that gets a lot of notice.

Guys, back to you.


MATHISEN:  Jon Fortt reporting for us.

A different story altogether for Dow components Microsoft (NASDAQ:MSFT) and
Visa (NYSE:V) which both topped profit expectations.

First, Microsoft (NASDAQ:MSFT), its growth drive anyone part by strong
results from its cloud business.  The company reported earnings of 78 cents
a share, 7 cents better than estimates.  Revenue came in slightly better
than expectations, though it was down a bit from a year ago.  As for
shares, they rose initially after those results came out.

Josh Lipton has more on Microsoft`s quarter.


Microsoft`s report, $25 billion.  That is what Microsoft (NASDAQ:MSFT)
reported in deferred revenue.  It`s an indication of future business, a
gauge of consumer and commercial demand, and it beats the street`s forecast
of $23 billion.

FBR`s Dan Ives says it shows momentum is building for Microsoft
(NASDAQ:MSFT) in 2016 rather than slowing as it is for other enterprise
tech companies.

So, what is driving that good news?  Well, Microsoft (NASDAQ:MSFT)
continues to execute on its cloud services meaning Office 365 and Azure,
which is its answer to Amazon`s cloud business.

For NIGHTLY BUSINESS REPORT, I`m Josh Lipton in San Francisco.


MATHISEN:  And now to fellow Dow component Visa (NYSE:V) which also topped
expectations on higher payment volumes.  The world`s largest payments
network operator earned 69 cents a share, one penny better than estimates.
Revenue rose to $3.5 billion in the quarter.  And that was up from the year
ago period.  Shares got a lift initially in after-hours trading.

Mary Thompson reports on the one key takeaway in Visa`s results.


reporting strong fiscal first quarter results.  The payments giant also
reaffirming its outlook for the fiscal year, though it warned the strong
dollar and subdued domestic activity across all geographies could prompt a
change to that forecast.

Still, the news welcome, after rival American Express (NYSE:EXPR)
(NYSE:AXP) cut its outlook for this year and next and Discover posted weak
numbers.  Visa`s adjusted earnings beat Wall Street`s forecast by a penny.
Its revenue came in line with expectations.

Visa`s results helped by a 12 percent increase in payments volume growth as
more and more consumers across the global are choosing to pay with debit
and credit cards instead of cash.

The fees that visa generates by processing the $1.3 trillion in
transactions?  Well, that helps to deliver strong results for investors.



MATHISEN:  On Wall Street as oil prices climbed.  Jobless claims fell and
companies reported those mixed earnings we`ve been telling you about.

By the close, the Dow Jones Industrial Average gained 125 points to finish
at 16,069, NASDAQ up 38, and the S&P 500 added 10.  Oil prices also rose
nearly 3 percent on production cut speculation.  Even though OPEC delegates
reportedly said there are no plans for supply talks.

HERERA:  Caterpillar (NYSE:CAT) was the biggest gainer on the blue chip
index today, beating Wall Street earnings estimates.  Shares rose more than
4 1/2 percent.

However, the company whose earnings are often used to measure the health of
the global economy reported a sharp drop in revenue and warned of a tough
year ahead.  But for many investors, those results could have been much


HERERA:  With the commodities crush literally digging into its bottom line
and currency headwinds pushing back on profit margins, caterpillar`s
fourth-quarter loss and lighter than expected sales figures were hardly a
surprise.  From the company`s point of view, it`s adapting to changes in
the global economy, cutting costs and its outlook, hardly rosy, is perhaps
not as bad as some had feared.

DOUG OBERHELMAN, CATERPILLAR CHAIRMAN & CEO:  `16 is going to be rough and
challenging again, I think, and given all the things going on around us.
But I`m very happy with our performance in `15.

HERERA:  The costs of change, restructuring, are what some accountants will
tell you to ignore.  In Cat`s case, ignore those costs and earnings
actually beat expectations.  It is still spending on things like R&D,
digital applications to mine for the kind of data that can help the buyers
of Cat`s heavy machinery save money in the future.  That`s the kind of
positioning analysts will parse carefully.

ANN DUIGNAN, J.P. MORGAN:  I think it was a sigh of relief more than
anything going into `16.

HERERA:  In China for instance, Cat sees growth, even if it`s less growth
than before.

OBERHELMAN:  I think there`s an overhang of lots of things, and from
commodities to you name it.  But it will work out.  They`re still growing
at 6 percent to 7 percent a year.

HERERA:  But the slow-down in China includes drastic decline in
construction, lower demand for commodities, coal, iron ore and oil, and
lower prices for Caterpillar`s heavy machinery.  Caterpillar`s total sales
peaked at almost $66 billion in 2012, but are expected to fall to $42
billion in 2016.  Weak sales in Brazil aren`t helping either.

If Cat is seen as a proxy for a global economy we may be in the roughest
patch wife seen in at least five years.

DUIGNAN:  I have no overweight ratings in my sector.  So, I`m not
recommending that investors buy into machinery stocks at this point.  And
that`s a first for me through the course of my career.  This is a unique
period of time for investors, particularly in cyclical stuff.


MATHISEN:  Joining us to talk about Caterpillar (NYSE:CAT) and what lies
ahead for it and its industry is Joel Tiss.  He`s managing director of
research at BMO Capital Markets.

Joel, welcome.  Good to have you with us.

having me.

MATHISEN:  It`s kind of a tale of two companies.  We got the late report
today about Amazon (NASDAQ:AMZN), profits were record for the company but
it missed estimates.  And so, the stock goes down.

Today, Caterpillar (NYSE:CAT) goes up because they beat estimates even
though revenues were down.  And profits were really nothing to write home

What do you — what do you expect going forward for this company,
Caterpillar (NYSE:CAT)?

TISS:  I mean, we are — we are getting close to a bottom here.  The
earnings peaked in 2012.  So, 2016 is already going to be the fourth down
year for Cat.  In their whole 90-year history, they`ve never had four down
years.  So, we`re probably closer to the bottom than to the top.

But on some of the earlier comments about estimates better than expected,
they`re 70 cents of pension games in that $4 of 2016 guidance.  So, it`s
not as rosy as the surface looks like.

HERERA:  You know, Joel, you also think as the company said, it`s going to
be tough.  The next year is going to be tough.  You would agree with that.

But what makes you feel as though the stock is nearer to a bottom than some
others on the street?

TISS:  Well, I mean, if you look at the mining industry, used to be 25
percent of Cat.  Now, it`s a very small part of the company.  But we`ve
had, you know, like I said, we peaked in 2012.

We`re four years into cutting capacity, trying to get supply/demand into
balance.  Their power generation business is another 15 percent or 20
percent of the company.  That`s been down for the last five years.

Construction equipment has been weak for the last three or four years.  And
there`s a lot of places on the planet.  Brazil`s been very difficult for
two years.  China`s been declining for two or three years.  The whole
Eastern Europe and Russia has been very difficult for the last couple of
years.  So, you know, we`ve already taken a lot of pain here.

MATHISEN:  You`ve got a target price of $60 on it, today was about $58,
that suggests a pretty flat year if I`m quoting you correctly.  Are there
other companies in this big equipment industrial area that you like better
as stock plays for `16?

TISS:  I mean, similar to what Ann said earlier, that the two that I think
are my top picks are ITW and Carlisle.  Those are more diversified
industrial companies.  They`re growing somewhat through restructuring,
somewhat through acquisition, a really had some of the best management

You know, the more cyclical companies, there`s not a lot you can do, just
waiting for markets to get better.

HERERA:  So, kind to have dove tail on what Tyler was saying, as an
investor, if you`re a long-term investor would you be moving into this
stock at this point, if you have a long-term time horizon?  Or no, not yet?

TISS:  Yes.  I mean, it`s still a little bit early.  I think we need one
more shoe to drop, and that is for investors to feel like 2017 is going to
be another down year.  And that`s probably going to be in the May, June,
July time frame.  And once that capitulation happens, I think we`re a hot
closer to a buy than we are to a sell.

MATHISEN:  Joel, thank you very much.  Very clearly expressed, we
appreciate it.

TISS:  Thank you.  Thanks for having me.

MATHISEN:  Joel Tiss with BMO Capital Markets.

HERERA:  The global slow-down extends far beyond China.  Canada, our
northern neighbor and largest trading partner, is also feeling the economic

Deirdre Bosa reports from Vancouver.


or not at all at these prices?

Cauliflower is taking Canada by storm.  Not for its taste, for its price.

This humble vegetable has become a national talking point, selling for as
much as 8 Canadian dollars ahead, that`s almost US$6.  Add in $2 cucumbers
and celery that`s triple the price it was a year ago, and that makes for
one expensive salad.

The Canadian dollar, known as the loonie, is sitting near 13-year lows,
thanks to the economy`s dependence on resources and the plunge in oil
prices.  As Canada scrambles to diversify its growth, British Columbia`s
finance minister Michael DeYoung says it could stay that way for a while.

of the world, some of the challenges, destability that we see emerging out
of the Middle East.  There`s a lot of factors and variables that go — that
go into this.  A lesson, of course — don`t put all your economic eggs in
one basket.

BOSA:  But now, the Canadian economy is on the verge of falling back into
recession.  The low loonie may be driving up the cost of groceries but it`s
also making Canadian real estate more attractive for outsiders.

Toni Sing is a Vancouver-based realtor.

TONI SING, BEL-AIR REALTY GROUP:  The role of foreign investors in the
Vancouver real estate market is huge.  It has been the last little while.
I think as the Canadian dollar value falls, we`ve actually known this to
increase in the actual achievable sales prices.

BOSA:  As Chinese market volatility continues, many are looking for a safe
place to park their cash.  And for many, that place is Vancouver.

BRIAN MCCAULEY, CONCERT PROPERTIES:  Aside from the low dollar, it`s just a
very safe market environment for us — for others to invest in.  You know,
the volatility in the Chinese markets today, you see Canada is a very safe
political and personal safety place to invest capital in.  So, that`s not
going to change either.

BOSA:  But some say an increase in already white-hot prices is further
fueling a bubble.

Between controlling that bubble and rebalancing Canada`s resource-dependent
economy, policymakers are scrambling to prevent the Great White North from
heading south again.

For NIGHTLY BUSINESS REPORT, Deirdre Bosa, Vancouver, Canada.


MATHISEN:  Still ahead, follow the money.  How much of your charitable
contributions are going where they are intended to?


MATHISEN:  Facebook (NASDAQ:FB) shares soar on that strong earnings report
we told you about last night.  The stock closed 15 percent higher today.
And that strength came from an area where Alphabet`s Google (NASDAQ:GOOG)
has always dominated, with YouTube.

Julia Boorstin reports on the new threat that Facebook (NASDAQ:FB) may pose
to the bigger search company.


soaring — in part an explosion on video views and the ad possibilities
they bring.

SHERYL SANDBERG, FACEBOOK, COO:  Customer viewing of video on Facebook
(NASDAQ:FB) continues to be really strong on our platform.  Five hundred
million people are watching videos every day.

In terms of our business, that creates real opportunity for us, because we
want the ad format to match the format of what consumers are doing.

BOORSTIN:  On Facebook`s earnings call, CEO Mark Zuckerberg talked about a
new way Facebook`s quantifying demand for video.

MARK ZUCKERBERG, FACEBOOK CEO:  Now, 100 million hours of video are
watching daily on Facebook (NASDAQ:FB).  We`ve been testing new experiences
like suggested videos, which enables people to discover more videos they
might be interested in.  We`re also exploring ways to give people a
dedicated place on Facebook (NASDAQ:FB) for when they just want to watch

BOORSTIN:  Analysts saying Facebook`s new strength in video grow the
potential for Facebook (NASDAQ:FB) to draw eyeballs and ad dollars from the
biggest video destination, YouTube, as well as from television.

MARK MAHANEY, RBC LEAD INTERNET ANALYST:  At the end of the day, there`s
only a finite amount of ad dollars.  We`re seeing a shift of that largest
bucket TV ad dollars coming over and Facebook`s a beneficiary.

BOORSTIN:  And though Google`s mobile ad network may be the only one that`s
still bigger than Facebook (NASDAQ:FB), Facebook (NASDAQ:FB) has some real
advantages to help it make gains.

MICHAEL GRAHAM, CANACCORD SR. ANALYST:  Who has almost no revenue coming
from social advertising, right?  So, if you look at the ad landscape, look
at how much market share Facebook (NASDAQ:FB) is taking, advertisers really
want to have their messages placed within social media and Google
(NASDAQ:GOOG) doesn`t really have an offering for them right now.

BOORSTIN:  And it`s not just advertising where Facebook (NASDAQ:FB) and
Google (NASDAQ:GOOG) overlap.  Both companies are investing in virtual
reality.  Facebook (NASDAQ:FB) has its Oculus headsets and Google
(NASDAQ:GOOG) its Cardboard headsets, and both have their own VR app
stores.  They`re also both investing in artificial intelligence as they
fight to make their consumer experience the best.

For NIGHTLY BUSINESS REPORT, I`m Julia Boorstin, in Los Angeles.


HERERA:  Under Armour (NYSE:UA) runs past Wall Street targets and that`s
where we begin tonight`s “Market Focus.”

The nation`s second-biggest sportswear maker beat estimates for both
quarterly profit and revenue in the latest quarter.  The results were
helped by strong demands for its signature Steph Curry basketball shoe
line.  That helped drive a 95 percent increase in footwear sales in the
quarter.  Under Armour (NYSE:UA) shares spiked 22.5 percent to $84.07.

China-based online retailer Alibaba beat estimates and posted a 23- percent
jump in the key metric of gross merchandise volume.  That growth however
was the slowest in more than three hours.  Alibaba shares fell nearly 4
percent to $66.92.

Shares of Oshkosh were hit today after the maker of military, fire, and
emergency vehicles saw profit plunge 58 percent in its latest quarter.  The
company says although sales of its vehicles were higher, it wasn`t enough
to offset a drop in its access equipment segment.  Shares of Oshkosh fell
about 7.5 percent to $31.23.

Eli Lilly`s profit beat forecast helped by strong sales of its top-selling
insulin drug.  Revenue was flat hurt by a stronger dollar.  But the company
maintained its full-year outlook.  Lily said it is upbeat about this year`s
prospects based on half a dozen FDA approvals in 2015 and a number of
successful late-stage trials.  Shares fell, though, 6 percent to $76.81.

MATHISEN:  Harley Davidson topped estimates with fourth quarter profit, but
revenue was a bit low.  The motorcycle maker gave a cautiously optimistic
outlook for 2016, while noting they expect macro economic conditions to
continue to be challenging.  Harley up about 4 percent to $38.92.

Ford`s earnings meanwhile beat expectations and the automaker reiterated
its full-year pretax forecast would be equal to or higher than 2015.  Ford
also said its European business returned to profitability last year with
the Asia-Pacific region posting its best ever annual profit.  But the
company did warn its 2016 North American profit margins may not reach 2015
levels and that was enough to knock off more than 1 percent of Ford`s stock
price today.  It finished at $11.71.

Well, the video game publisher Electronic Arts (NASDAQ:ERTS) profit beat
Wall Street expectations, thanks to strong sales of its new “Star Wars”
game.  But the company issued a disappointing forecast for the current
quarter with both earnings and revenue coming in below estimates.
Electronic Arts (NASDAQ:ERTS) shares fell sharply in extended hours after
finishes up a fraction at $69.79.

And strong sales of its blockbuster arthritis drug Enbrel helped Amgen
(NASDAQ:AMGN) beat earnings and saw them rise 40 percent.  The world`s
biggest biotech drugmaker also raised its outlook for 2016.  Shares
initially rose in extended hours after falling more than 1 percent today to

HERERA:  The Wounded Warrior Project, the charity organization that
supports veterans, has come under fire for its lavish spending.  According
to the charity rating agency Charity Navigator, only 60 percent of Wounded
Warrior Project`s money goes towards helping veterans, compared to similar
charities who spend significantly more.

So, how do you know if your charitable contributions are really going where
they are intended to?

Michael Thatcher joins us, president and CEO of Charity Navigator.  He
joins us now.

Nice to have you here.  Welcome.

A pleasure to be here.

HERERA:  You know, Wounded Warrior pushed back on the various news reports
about their spending, saying, in order to raise significant amounts of
cash, you have to spend.  Is that a valid argument?  Or not?

THATCHER:  I think it`s a valid argument if you can also show the
effectiveness of your spending.  So, am I — as I`m investing in different
projects, what are the outcomes and results of those projects?  And being
able to articulate that is something that`s important for donors and they
need to know this.

MATHISEN:  How do you grade them on that metric?

THATCHER:  Today, we`re rating organizations based on their financial
metrics, the accountability and transparency metrics of the organization,
and we`re in the process of bringing on results reporting or impact
reporting.  Today when a donor really needs to be proactive, engaged with
the organization, and find that out directly from the organization.

HERERA:  So you basically say there are three things that you should look
for, if I`m reading you correctly, when you want to donate to a charity.
Overall, their “overall score”, quote-unquote, their financial score, and
their accountability and transparency.

So, you give them four stars on accountability and transparency, correct?

THATCHER:  That`s correct.  Their governance is above par.  And they do an
excellent job in terms of their accountability and their transparency.
Where they are rated less highly, so a two-star organization from a
financial perspective, and much of that is due to the distribution of where
the money is going.

MATHISEN:  How do they compare with other veterans assistance

THATCHER:  There are a wide variety of organizations that are actually
devoting more of their actual funding towards programs.  So, there`s a wide
variety of these —

MATHISEN:  That sounds like they don`t score as well?

THATCHER:  That is correct.

MATHISEN:  They don`t score as well as some of their peers.  Peers like?
Any names come to mind?

THATCHER:  I`d rather not give specific names but if you look at — we have
on our website at, you can actually see a list of
charitable organizations focused on veterans.

HERERA:  Which would be a good comparison tool.

THATCHER:  An excellent comparison tool.

HERERA:  What we want to give to our viewers, if you want to donate to an
organization, take a look at these metrics.  And then maybe take a look at
organizations that are similar and see how they all compare, right?

THATCHER:  Correct.  In other words, the best thing to do, think about
investing in a charitable organization the same way you would invest in the
stock market.  You want to look at the different financial ratios.  And
then you make a decision based on your feelings and what you feel is right,
and are these ratios where I want to spend my money?

HERERA:  Perfect analogy for this program.  Thank you so much.

MATHISEN:  We`re really not saying that this group doesn`t do good work,
let`s be clear here, right?

HERERA:  Absolutely.

MATHISEN:   We`re saying maybe by some measures of financial effectiveness
or efficiency, they may not measure up as well as others.

THATCHER:  That`s correct.

MATHISEN:  Correct?

THATCHER:  That`s correct.

MATHISEN:  Michael, thank you.

THATCHER:  Thank you.

HERERA:  Thank you, Michael.  Michael Thatcher with Charity Navigator.

Coming up, making the grade.  What one high school is doing to help teams
make better financial decisions.


HERERA:  Here`s a look at what to watch for tomorrow.

We will get the first look at fourth quarter economic growth with the
release of the GDP report.  San Francisco Fed President John William is
speaking, and he`s one of the first officials we`ll hear from following
yesterday`s Fed decision.  And the energy markets will be watching the
weekly rig count which could move oil prices.

And that`s what to watch for on Friday.

MATHISEN:  Whether it`s paying for college education or living on a budget,
teenagers need to understand how to manage their money.  Boy, do they?
It`s a real-life lesson a new report today says our nation`s high schools
are failing to teach.

But as Sharon Epperson tells us, that`s not the case in East Greenwich,
Rhode Island.


teenagers but today`s high school students, like these seniors at East
Greenwich High School in Rhode Island, often have to make tough financial

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE:  I don`t think a credit card would be in my near

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  I do lay out how much money I need during the week to
pay for gas or if I want to go out with friends.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  The price of college today is insanely high.

EPPERSON:  How to manage their money is a lesson many U.S. schools are
failing to teach.

Until 2014, Rhode Island had no basic standard for teaching financial
education.  An issue that was a big concern to Patricia Page who spent
years in the private sector before becoming a business teacher.

PATRICIA PAGE, TEACHER:  We were graduating a whole generation of students
that are going to be compelled to make substantive financial decisions even
before they left high school walls.  And they were ill-equip to do so.

Good afternoon, financial scholars.

EPPERSON:  Some of Page`s students took action, successfully petitioning
the state board of education to adopt financial literacy standards.

CHARLOTTE PALMER, FORMER STUDENT:  It`s made me a lot more prepared —

EPPERSON:  Recent graduate Charlotte Palmer was part of that influential

PALMER:  When you learn from parents it feels the same as putting your
money in a piggy bank.  When you learn in a classroom, it`s learning —
seeing in the broader scope what`s going to happen to me as I`m growing up.

EPPERSON:  Studies show that high school graduates who have taken a
personal finance course are more likely to pay their bills on time and get
higher credit scores as adults.

Still, many states do not require students to take a personal finance
course to graduate.

According to the nonprofit Council for Economic Education, just 20 states
require students to take an economics course before graduation.  That
number drops to 17 for personal finance classes.  But the impact on those
who take these classes is clear.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  It`s important to know about the Federal Reserve
because they sort of regulate the economy.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE:  It`s definitely contributed to the successfulness of
my small little business.

EPPERSON:  Helping students make smarter financial decisions while they`re
in high school and for the rest of their lives.

For NIGHTLY BUSINESS REPORT, I`m Sharon Epperson in East Greenwich, Rhode


MATHISEN:  And to read more about the push for financial literacy programs
in our schools, head to our website

HERERA:  And that does it for NIGHTLY BUSINESS REPORT.  I`m Sue Herera,
thanks for watching.

MATHISEN:  And thanks for me as well.  I`m Tyler Mathisen.  Have a great
Thursday evening, everybody.  We`ll see you back here tomorrow.


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