Transcript: Nightly Business Report – January 18, 2016

NBR-ThumANNOUNCER:  This is NIGHTLY BUSINESS REPORT with Tyler Mathisen and Sue

And welcome to a special edition of NIGHTLY BUSINESS REPORT. The U.S. markets may have                                                                           been closed today, but there is still, Sue, plenty to                                                                           talk about.


The first two weeks of the year have been tumultuous to say the least, with
oil prices continuing to plunge down double digits to start the year and
fears that China`s economy might drag down any global growth out there.
Our markets have been consumed with negativity.

MATHISEN:  But there is one bright spot for the U.S. economy, and that
would be the labor market.  That is where we begin tonight.

The job market ended 2015 on a high note.  And most are confident of
continued strength this year.  In fact, an improving labor market was the
linchpin for the Federal Reserve`s plan to raise interest rates for the
first time in a decade.

But as Hampton Pearson tells us, while that optimism abounds, some
obstacles do remain.


market is starting the year with a lot of momentum.  A blockbuster December
saw 292,000 new hires, and upward revisions boosted the fourth quarter
average to 294,000 per month.

In his final State of the Union Address, President Barack Obama says
predict sector growth has the foundation of the economic recoveries.

right now has the strongest, most durable economy in the world.


We`re in the middle of the longest streak of private job growth in history.

PEARSON:  Leading economists predict job gains well above 200,000 per
month, and the economy is moving closer to full employment.  But wage
growth, especially for those between 25 and 54, the prime earning years,
remain a challenge.

ELISE GOULD, ECONOMIC POLICY INSTITUTE:  We want to see the prime age
employment to population ratio to return to pre-recession levels.  We want
to see more people in the economy working.  And we want to see stronger
wage growth.

PEARSON:  And dramatically declining oil prices may force even bigger job
cuts in the energy sector in 2016.  An instant replay of what happened last
year, when roughly 20 percent of the 600,000 announced layoffs were tied to
falling oil prices.

Public sector downsizing, including nearly 60,000 military personnel
returning to the civilian workforce presents another challenge.  Veterans
hiring fares like this one in Washington, D.C. are tackling that challenge.
More than 100 employers at this event offering hope to job seekers like
Juan Lopez, a middle age vet who believes his search for a better-paying
job is just around the corner.

JUAN LOPEZ, JOB SEEKER:  Now that the holidays are over, I`m getting
telephone calls, folks are scheduling interviews.  I have some next week,
and I`m feeling optimistic.

PEARSON:  What is often overlooked is that Martin Luther King had an
economic dream, he wanted to see an end to poverty and a guaranteed
government middle-class income.  Nearly 50 years after his death, the
debate over how to achieve that part of the dream continues.

For NIGHTLY BUSINESS REPORT, I`m Hampton Pearson in Washington.


HERERA:  So, with the strong job gains last year and the expected growth
this year, who exactly is hiring?  We know the energy sector has been and
is an issue while restaurants and bars ratcheted up their hiring, but what
about the under the radar sectors?

Mary Thompson takes a closer look at three areas where the jobs are.


a name for itself in movies.  Thanks to a generous tax incentive, the state
is now third in TV and film production behind California and New York.  The
state welcoming the industry`s rapid growth, and the estimated $6 billion
in economic impact it`s bringing this year, though not everything is

growing pain, in just that we`ve had a run-up so quickly.

THOMPSON:  So, sometimes it`s hard to find in-state electricians, artists
and others needed to staff a movie or show.  Something EUE/Screen Gem
Studios` Kris Bagwell said could cause industries to look for outside

KRIS BAGWELL, EUE/SCREEN GEME STUDIOS:  It`s a lot cheaper for production
to hire local talent than to bring folks from L.A. and New York and have to
pay their housing and per diem and everything else.

THOMPSON:  Lee Thomas heads the state`s film and TV office.  Along with
keeping the tax incentive in place, she said Georgia needs to train workers
to keep the shows and movies coming.

So, Georgia`s launching a film academy to train and certify entry level
workers and retrain others looking to polish their skills for film.

THOMAS:  It will be something that, you know, you can quickly put people
through for very specific types of jobs.  And if they want to go further
with it, these certificates will be applicable to longer degrees.

THOMPSON:  About 30,000 Georgians work for the TV and film industry, which
Motion Picture Association of America says pays an average salary of
$84,000 a year.

It`s one reason Rachael Crump, a widowed mother of four has gone back to
school to be a script supervisor.

of the focus was going in Georgia.

THOMPSON:  While for Rick Harris (NYSE:HRS), it jump-started the air-
conditioning business he launched in 2007, cooling the set of the movie
“The Blindside.”

RICK HARRIS, HARRIS DIVERSIFIED LLC:  Since we started in 2007, we
basically doubled in size and equipment and staff, everything for the past
several years.

THOMPSON:  He`s gone from two units to 130, two employees to 14, and $1
million in revenue to several million — proving you can make money in
movies as a supporting player, a cast Georgia is looking to grow.

Another year of headline-grabbing cyber attacks on big name companies like
Sony (NYSE:SNE), another year of double-digit growth for cyber insurance.

RANDY BINNER, FBR CAPITAL MARKETS & CO.:  Cyber insurance could be one of
the biggest opportunities in recent memory for the insurance market.

THOMPSON:  A recently released survey by the insurance broker Marsh shows
among its U.S. clients, first-time buyers of cyber insurance rose 32
percent last year, building on a 21 percent increase in 2013.

Among the industry seeing the most growth in first-time buyers?
Hospitality and gaming, education and power and utility.

In this data-driven world, information is increasingly valuable.  A client
or proprietary information a cyber theft could use for their own benefit,
or to harm the company on their crosshairs.

A roughly $2 billion industry, cyber insurance is still in its infancy.
The insurers offering these policies including AIG, Chubb (NYSE:CB) and
Hartford, all continued to tweet their underwriting — changes analyst
Randy Binner says it requires policy owners to make adjustments of their

BINNER:  Even if they get an insurance policy to cover the cyber risk, the
insurance company is going to require them to have processes, technology,
reporting structures in place that help mitigate an event.

THOMPSON:  Among other things, the policy should mitigate the cause of any
disruption to a business, and the cost of helping customers impacted by an
attack.  But as the cost of the policies rise, Marsh said they rose 3
percent last year, Binner says some firms may choose to self-insure
instead, posing a risk to the rapid growth of cyber insurance.

Wayfair promises clients to find a zillion things for their home.
Meanwhile, the online retailer is looking for a couple of hundred new

NIRAJ SHAH, WAYFAIR CEO AND CO-FOUNDER:  We right now have over 500 open

THOMPSON:  Wayfair isn`t alone.  Forrester Research (NASDAQ:FORR) says with
e-commerce growing 10 percent a year at least through 2017, there is strong
demand for a new breed of retail worker.

SHAH:  We care about folks that are hardworking, bright, team-oriented or
collaborative, and have the ability to use analytical insights or
quantitative data.

THOMPSON:  Wayfair CEO Niraj Shah is looking for programmers, designers and
customer service reps, all at ease with the technology online retailers use
to create and enhance their customer`s experience, which at Wayfair
includes phone calls with design consultant Sarah Nunberg.

SARAH NUNBERG, WAYFAIR DESIGN CONSULTANT:  I want them to feel like they
are calling their own interior designer.

THOMPSON:  Shah says it`s hard to find the ideal candidate, so Wayfair
hires a lot of recent college graduates and then teaches some retailing on
the job.

But there are places that teach the needed skills, knowing more and more
shopping would move online, North Texas University launched a degree in
digital retailing a few years ago.

future.  It`s pretty much the present right now.

THOMPSON:  Students like Anakarin Petersen take courses in merchandising
and Web site development where analytics and collaboration are emphasized.

world, you work side by side with marketing, merchandising, IT, e-commerce,
operations, and everything happens in such real time that you have to be
really able to work in a team environment.

THOMPSON:  Program director Richard Last says 82 percent of his students
graduate with jobs — jobs with good salaries, according to Forrester
analyst Sucharita Mulpuru.

across the board at digital retail, they are generally well-paying jobs.

THOMPSON:  How good?  The government estimates e-commerce jobs pay close to
double traditional retail jobs.  And Forrester says salaries range from
$40,000 for creative, like designers, to up to $80,000 for programmers, a
new era in retailing with a good pay off for those with the skills to sell

In Westborough, Massachusetts, I`m Mary Thompson for NIGHTLY BUSINESS


MATHISEN:  Our guest today says he expects to see solid jobs gains in the
labor market this year.  He`s Bricklin Dwyer, senior economist with BNP

Bricklin, welcome.  Good to have you with us.

We`re going to talk about jobs and then we may range a bit into the broader

The most recent jobs report for December was some 290,000 jobs.  That`s an
incredibly hot pace.  Do you expect that to keep up?

impressive.  In fact, most of the market was expecting, including
ourselves, something closer to 200,000.  So, 50 percent more not a bad up

MATTHEWS:  On average, this year, what are you looking for?

DWYER:  You know, for this year, we`re expecting things show slow down,
about $175,000 on average.  The long term trend looks like something like
closer to 100,000 to 120,000.  So, you know, 175,000 is still pretty darn

HERERA:  Does what`s recently been going on in the market — the
precipitous drop, the volatility, the fact that the market is down better
than 7 percent so far this year, does that means influence at all your
forecast, because at some point, we may see layoffs in the energy sector,
things like that?

DWYER:  Yes, it certainly does.  We`ve already seen a lot of that layoff in
the energy sector.  You know, mining, kind of that secretary services area
of mining, people pulling back on their rigs.  So, we`re seeing that impact
right now, but we`re also seeing a big of momentum in some other areas, you
know, retail, leisure and hospitality, those momentum, health care, have
been doing quite well.  We do expect that momentum to be pared back a bit
next year, but overall, you know, the momentum is till pretty decent.

MATHISEN:  Health care has been a jobs adder over the past half decade or
so.  Do you see that continuing?  I think note that those companies are
peeling back a little.

DWYER:  Yes, I think that`s right.  You know, the recent Obamacare, you
know, legislation, there`s a big ramping up and hiring in healthcare,
trying to figure out how many people they really need.  You tend to over-
hire, and then you figure out how many can actually run with.  So —


DWYER:  So, you cut it back and keep the people you like.  That sort of
trend is happening.

HERERA:  We`ve seen improvement, but the participation rate has been kind
of a persistent problem in this record.  It seems to be getting better.
But is that still troubling to you, or have we changed the trajectory of

DWYER:  You know, it`s kind of interesting.  There`s a lot of focus on the
participation rate, a lot of debate among economists, among the colleagues
about just how much of that is structural versus cyclical.  You know, from
what I can tell, about half of it is due to aging population, which is
worth about three tenths of the participation rate per year.

You know, surprisingly, looking in the past few years, we`ve only averaged
about 0.37, so really not that farther off the trend of the decline in
participation, but we do have room for a bit of a rebound.

MATHISEN:  To the broader economy, you have the Federal Reserve indicating
they hope to raise interest race three, four times this year.  But in the
most recent trading sessions, bond yields have gone down, approaching 2
percent again.  What is the bond market telling you about the health of the
U.S. economy?

DWYER:  First, they don`t believe the Fed.  They don`t think, you know,
what they say is going to happen.  That was certainly true right up until
the last minute in December when the Fed actually delivered a rate hike.


DWYER:  There was just an unbelievability factor.  We`re in that camp right
now, where we have this turbulence from abroad, Sue.  We have a lot of
factors like oil that are really kind of plaguing the minds of people who
are doing hiring and things like that.

And that means a bit of uncertainty for stocks.  We`re seeing that impact
right now, and that feeds into Fed policy.  So, from the Fed`s perspective,
they`re kind of setting a trajectory.  They just need to see something
broadly in line with their expectations.  As long as they get that, they`ll
be —

MATHISEN:  They`ve move ahead?

DWYER:  Yes.

MATHISEN:  All right.  Bricklin, thank you very much.  Appreciate you being
with us.

DWYER:  Thanks.

MATHISEN:  Bricklin Dwyer with BNP Paribas.

HERERA:  A cooling of the world`s second largest economy sends a chill
around the globe.  The ramifications, next.


MATHISEN:  China has been an area of concern in the early part of the year,
so far.  Fears that the world`s second largest economy is slowing rapidly
has been sending shockwaves through global markets.  And that slowdown is
being played out in two important sectors, manufacturing and energy.

Eunice Yoon has a fair of examples.


a decorative glass lamp at Home Depot (NYSE:HD) or Lowe`s in the U.S.,
chances are it was made by Eric Lee.  From his factory in China, the
Taiwanese businessman has been making colored glass for light fixtures for
15 years, but he`s not sure he`ll be doing it for much longer.

“Our factory has been facing big challenges this year,” he says.  “The
business has dropped by 10 percent.”

China`s economic rise was powered by manufacturers like Lee, but with
demand so sluggish for Chinese products both at home and overseas, the
government says hundreds of factories have been deserted.  Businesses fear
the plant closures are in the thousands with so many in the country`s
industrial south now for lease.

We`re in the manufacturing town of Dongguan.  We`re in a part of the city
that used to be one of the most prosperous.  Business people would come
from all over the world to place orders at factories here for clothing and

But now, this area is almost entirely abandoned.  Shops like this one that
used to cater to factory workers are completely shut down.

Lee had to idle his plant for 40 days over the summer because his inventory
got too high.  He`s also been battling rising costs.  Higher minimum wage
and rising living standards have forced him to offer pay races as much as
10 percent every year for the past five years to the current salary level
of more than $1,000 a month for many of his workers.

“The main difficulty we are facing now is rising costs, especially for
labor.  This casts a huge shadow over our operation,” he says.

The recent devaluation of the Chinese currency has helped narrow losses,
but Lee only sees it as temporary relief.

“I`m afraid what we have seen of the slowdown is just the beginning and
it`s far from the bottom,” he says.

His survival strategy?


YOON:  Praying for a miracle in China`s rapidly cooling economy.

China`s black gold, coal has been the lifeblood of the country`s growth.
Now, its industry faces an uncertain future.

And trucker Li Anping is feeling the pain.  Here in Changzhi province, Li
and his fellow truckers used to earn $630 a month transporting coal.
Today, only half that.  Trucks are idled, partly because of China`s
economic slowdown and for another reason.

“A lot of coal mines have shut down because of the environmental protection
regulations,” he says.  Some other coal-related businesses have also closed
because they failed to meet the government`s emission standards.

At the climate change meeting in Paris, President Xi Jinping reiterated his
vow to rein in China`s carbon emissions to peak by 2030.  As part of that
pledge, Beijing is trying to wean itself off of coal, the fuel blamed most
for emissions and pollutants.

Currently, China is the biggest consumer and producer of the fossil fuel.
It`s also the biggest emitter of greenhouse gases.

China still relies very heavily on coal to power its economy, so the
government here has pledged to upgrade its coal-fired plants nationwide to
reduce pollution by 60 percent by 2020.  It also is embracing clean energy.

It`s investing big in wind, solar and nuclear technologies.  Still, critics
point to Beijing`s days of hazardous smog this week as evidence that
China`s addiction to coal will be hard to quit.  It`s a cheap and plentiful
source of energy difficult to resist, they say, for a government attempting
to keep the economy from falling further.

Even so, trucker Li is concerned about his own prospects in the industry.

“Living expenses are rising and I have a whole family to take care of,” he
says.  “I`m thinking of going abroad to find a job as a day laborer,” away
from China`s coal country and its clouded future.

For NIGHTLY BUSINESS REPORT, I`m Eunice Yoon in Changzhi.


HERERA:  So, will see improvement in the Chinese economy or will it
continue to be a concern in the global markets?

Paul Christopher joins us head of global market strategist at Wells Fargo
(NYSE:WFC) Investment Institute.

Welcome, Paul.  It`s a pleasure to have you here.


HERERA:  Let`s start first of all with where you think we are in the China
cycle.  Is there more down side to come?  And if so, how much more
significant to the downside?

CHRISTOPHER:  Right.  More down side to come in the sectors that your
reporter mentioned.  So, manufacturing, construction and mineral
extraction.  That`s deliberate.  Part of it is the environmental protection
and part of it is the realization that demand just isn`t there anymore for
Chinese manufactured products.

But it also suits China in a very nice way, because they really want to
develop more service sector growth and consumption.  You heard the part
about the higher wages.  So, at the same time some sectors are correcting,
others are growing, in fact services represent the fastest source of growth
in the economy and largest source of employment growth.

MATHISEN:  What, Paul, about China`s internal debt issues?  They have a lot
of loans to state-owned enterprises.  They got real estate loans out there.
Is their debt their real Achilles` heel?

CHRISTOPHER:  Well, the debt is a very large overhang, but fortunately,
it`s mainly internal.  It`s not external debt.  And so, the government is
in the process of trying to re-denominate a lot of that.

So, the land debt, for example, that can be converted into local government
bonds backed by the central government.  There`s a lot of other means that
they can use to keep that debt from going bad all of a sudden, which would
be the real risk to the U.S. and the economy.

So, yes, it`s a big risk going forward, but there are ways to deal with it.
More importantly, the economy is growing in the sectors the government is
trying to promote.  That should help keep stability, employment growth,
wage growth and spending going, and that also helps keep the debt

HERERA:  There are predictions out there that China will once again
depreciate its currency.  Do you think they will and how dramatic would
that be for the markets?

CHRISTOPHER:  Well, at this point, the markets aren`t so much worried about
depreciation, as they are sudden changes in policy by the People`s Bank of
China.  When the People`s Bank is unpredictable, as they were last week,
that tends to make markets think that something is being hidden, perhaps
some new slowdown in the economy that wasn`t previously discounted.

So as long as the rate of depreciation continues steadily, after all, the
currency is overvalued and needs to catch up with other concurrencies in
the world against the dollar, I think that steady rate will be largely
benign, but it`s going to be those occasional flare-ups or hiccups that
come from policy mistakes or miscues that will be the real issue.

MATHISEN:  Very quickly — for China, hard landing, soft landing or
continued flight, albeit at a lower level?

CHRISTOPHER:  I`d say 80 percent chance of a soft landing, with some
hiccups along the way due to policy missteps.

HERERA:  All right.  On that note, Paul, thank you for joining us.  We
appreciate it.

CHRISTOPHER:  Thank you.

HERERA:  Paul Christopher with Wells Fargo (NYSE:WFC) Investment Institute.

MATHISEN:  And coming up, some towns reap the rewards of strong oil demand.
Now with prices in a freefall, a look at the fallout in with Texas town and
how it might weather the downturn.


HERERA:  Here`s what to watch for on Tuesday.  Earnings season starts to
shift into high gear with a pair of Dow components, IBM and UnitedHealth.
More financials are out with Morgan Stanley (NYSE:MS) and Bank of America
(NYSE:BAC).  And is the best S&P performer in 2015 Netflix (NASDAQ:NFLX)?
That`s what to watch for tomorrow.

MATHISEN:  Another blow to the markets as we start 2016.  It`s a carryover
from 2015, collapsing oil prices, both the domestic and global benchmarks
are hovering around $30 a barrel.

Let`s put it in perspective.  June 2014, Brent Crude prices, $114.  That
fall has had a positive impact at the pump for U.S. drivers, pushing down
the cost of a gallon of gasoline.  The energy information agency sees gas
averaging just above $2 this year.  That would be up from where I would buy
it, about a buck 65.

But the fallout from cratering oil has been unmistakable.  The instrument
has undergone tens of thousands of layoffs, the most recent being BP`s
4,000 announce the last weeks.  Globally, oil dependent countries like
Saudi Arabia have said they will have a budget deficit, and have to cut
back on some services.  And even Russia has said it might have to revise
its budget if prices continue to fall.

MATHISEN:  And finally tonight, the oil boom of the recent past was a boon
for several states` economies.  But now, as crude prices have plunged, many
of those boom towns are feeling the pressure.

Brian Sullivan heads to the Lone Star State and takes a look at one city
and how it`s coping.


has been a shining star of the American economy.  Nearly 2 million people
have moved to the state in the past five years.  And Houston`s oil-fueled
jobs boom is one reason why.

But as the new reality of lower prices sinks in, that growth at least in
Houston, may be at risk.


SULLIVAN:  Maximo Tejeda runs a company that makes pipes used for oil
wells.  He has had to lay off half his workers over the past year.

TEJEDA:  We have had to go from over 1,100 employees to less than 530 now.

SULLIVAN:  Houston is much more than just the old oil town it used to be.
The city is diversified with medical, technology and manufacturing, all
helping to power the economy to more than 3 million workers last year.

But make no mistake: Oil is still the blood that flows through Houston`s
economic veins.  And oil`s impact is felt across many parts of the economy
especially housing.

DOUG GOFF, JOHNSON DEVELOPMENT CORP COO:  We sold 2,500 homes in 2015.
That`s down about 8 percent from 2014, which was a record year for us.

SULLIVAN:  If housing slows, many of the construction jobs that come with
it could also be impacted, which could also then hurt consumer spending as
jobs are lost.

Nobody is predicting a lights going out on the Lone Star State anytime
soon.  But if oil prices do not recover, Texas and in particular Houston,
could be in for a rough couple of years.

For NIGHTLY BUSINESS REPORT from Houston, I`m Brian Sullivan.


HERERA:  And we thank you for watching this special holiday edition of

MATHISEN: And I`m Tyler Mathisen.  Thanks from me as well.  Have a great
evening, everybody, and we`ll see you back here tomorrow.


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