Transcript: Nightly Business Report – January 7, 2016

NBR-ThumANNOUNCER:  This is NIGHTLY BUSINESS REPORT with Tyler Mathisen and Sue

The Dow and NASDAQ are now in correction territory, off 10 percent from
their recent highs.  And the Dow has never fallen so far so fast at the
start of a year ever.

suspends its new stock market rules, leaving investors on edge ahead of
Shanghai`s open.

MATHISEN:  Costly pitfalls.  The common mistakes investors make in a
volatile market and how you can avoid them.

All that and more tonight on NIGHTLY BUSINESS REPORT for Thursday, January

Good evening, everyone, and welcome.

A body blow to the stock market as another wave of selling hit Wall Street
and knocked stocks hard.  The Dow Jones industrial average and the NASDAQ
closed in correction territory, meaning the indexes are now more than 10
percent off their most recent highs.

The reason once again was China.  That country suspended trading after just
30 minutes.  Its benchmark index falling 7 percent.  More on that in just a

But, first, the closing numbers.  The blue chip Dow index plummeting 392
points to 16,514.  In the last four days, the Dow has shed 910 points.  The
NASDAQ falling 3 percent, off 146 points.  And the S&P 500 lost 47.

And as for oil, which continues its slide, it hit a 12-year low during
today`s trading session to close around $33 a barrel.

Bob Pisani has more on the sell-off from the New York Stock Exchange.


open, we pared some losses almost immediately after that as the Chinese
authorities suspended the circuit breakers they had implemented just four
days before.

Then, oil rallied and we actually had a modest rally going in the middle of
the day.  Well, that all faded when a “Reuters” report came out suggesting
that Chinese officials were being pressured to do a quick devaluation of
the Chinese currency, perhaps as much as 10 percent to 15 percent, to help
out the economy.

And the markets moved south again to end near the lows for the day even
though there was no confirmation of that story.

Except for defensive names like health care and utilities, most of the
market was down 2 percent.  But there was particular weakness in financials
with big names like Goldman Sachs (NYSE:GS) and Morgan Stanley (NYSE:MS)
hitting 52-week lows.

Now, this suggests the market believes that two or three Fed rate hikes are
more likely than the four or so that Fed officials seemed to be predicting.

Now, that`s very important because tomorrow, our attention will turn to the
U.S. economy.  It`s about time we did that.  We`re going to get the
December jobs report.

Now, right now, the market seems to be pricing in a roughly 40 percent
chance of a rate hike in March.  Now, a number well above the consensus of
210,000 jobs created might very well be met with a negative reaction.  In
other words, we made it back to the idea that good news is bad news again.

As for what will happen in China, Chinese ETFs that trade here suggest that
Chinese markets could open down roughly 6 percent tonight.

For NIGHTLY BUSINESS REPORT, I`m Bob Pisani at the New York Stock Exchange.


MATHISEN:  Well, you might think low fuel prices would help transportation
stocks.  They haven`t really.  The Dow Transports are now in bear market
territory, down 3 percent today and 24 percent from their highs last

As Morgan Brennan explains, it`s a group that many Wall Street watchers are
paying very close attention to.


not a new trajectory for transportation stocks.  The Dow Jones
Transportation average has tanked more than 6 percent so far this week.
Firmly stuck in bear market territory and trading at its lowest level since
November of 2013.

Commodity prices that seem to be remaining lower for longer and a dollar
that remains strong against other major currencies continue to take a toll
on the sector.  Analysts who track transportation companies say that`s
hitting those that service the manufacturing and mining industries
particularly hard.

JASON SEIDL, COWEN GROUP:  When I talk to my companies, when I talk to the
customers in my companies, especially in the industrial side, the word is
we`re in an industrial recession right now.  I mean, you can see it by all
the railroad car loading statistics as well.

BRENNAN:  Just earlier this week, a key measure showed manufacturing
contracting for the second straight month, confirming that an industrial
recession is indeed under way.  It`s been especially tough on railroads,
which saw total volumes decline 2 1/2 percent in 2015, the biggest drop
since 2009.

That continues to drag down share prices of Union Pacific (NYSE:UNP), CSX
(NYSE:CSX), and Kansas City Southern (NYSE:SO) (NYSE:KSU), all of which are
trading at multiyear lows.

But other pockets of weakness have emerged as well.  One estimate says
container traffic at global ports last year grew at the slowest pace in six
years.  And the Baltic Dry Index which measures rates to transport
commodities via large ships has plunged to a new record low amid slowing
economic growth in China.

The one relative bright spot: transportation companies hauling goods
destined for consumers.  But even that could be starting to wane.

SEIDL:  The only area of strength that we really saw last year on the
transportation side was really in automotive and anything to do with sort
of online retail.  So, I have one of my trucking companies, Covenant
Transportation, they picked up a big new e-tailing customer in the fourth
quarter, and I think they`re going to have a strong quarter but I think
they`re going to be the outlier in the transportation group.

BRENNAN:  Trucking has softened in recent months.  The American Trucking
Association`s reported that truck tonnage averaged year over year gains of
1 percent for the three months ending in November.  That modest increase
marks a slowdown in growth for the group, and during the key peak shipping

Economists and analysts are keeping a close eye on this sector since truck
tonnage served as a leading key indicator of U.S. economic growth.



HERERA:  Let`s turn now to our two guests who have opposing views about
this market.

Chris Wolfe is maintaining his bullish position in the market.  He`s head
of Merrill Lynch Wealth Management`s chief investment offices.  And Jack
Ablin is our bear tonight.  He`s chief investment strategist at BMO Private

Good to see you guys.  Welcome.


HERERA:  Chris, we`ve had the worst start to the year really ever.  We had
a lot of chaos in China.  We had very heavy selling in the U.S. market,
several days running.

So, make the bullish case here.

we`re in an information vacuum.  We don`t have a lot of news out.  And when
countries and policy makers surprise like China did four times in the last
few days, you get markets reacting in a negative way.

I think the bull case if you`re trying to be more constructive, which we
are, although I would say with modest returns in 2016, rests on two big
pillars.  The first is margin durability.  Companies have become very good
at using technology to replace people.  It`s been preserving their profit

And the second is where we are hiring, we`ve actually been seeing some wage
growth and ultimately wage inflation, little bits of it.  But that`s helped
the consumer hang in there, add the low oil prices, and I think you`re in a
place where the U.S. consumer still drives the bus through 2016.

MATHISEN:  You know, Jack, margins may be holding up but profits have been
on a bit of a slide, and that is ultimately where a stock market derives
its strength from, right?

Tyler.  I mean, I look at China and I tend to agree, it`s more — it`s more
closely aligned with Las Vegas and Macau than it is to Wall Street, quite

But I do think it`s probably a catalyst.  The fact is the market`s
expensive.  If you look at equities relative to revenues, relative to
earnings, I see even after the down draft here, we`ve got an S&P 500
trading roughly 15 percent above its median.

So I think that we do need to see some profit growth.  We do need to see
some revenue growth, so that fundamentals can ultimately catch up to where
investor expectations are currently situated.

HERERA:  So, Chris, if indeed you`re a longer-term investor, a retail
longer-term investor, do you use this volatility and the down draft that
we`ve seen these first few trading days of the year to add to positions?
Or is it too soon given what we`re seeing in China?

WOLFE:  You know, frankly it`s a little too soon.  Not necessarily because
of China although I think the China brush paints a lot of bad things.

But I think Jack made an interesting point.  Valuations are fair.  They`re
not really supported.  Maybe they`re stretched in some ways.

I think without a lot of guidance from corporates here, we`re likely to
have a pretty choppy first part of the year.  And I think advisers, we`ve
been guiding them to being more selective, more opportunistic around areas
of the market that have the durability, the bigger cap companies, the cash
flows, the dividends.

It`s really health care, technology and the consumer space where we want to
be more selective.  So, blind rebalancing just by the stock market and go
home, you want to be more thoughtful and more selective when we talk about
rebalancing in this market.

MATHISEN:  You know, Jack, you mentioned a moment ago that we need rising
profits to justify or make investors comfortable with the prices they`re
paying for equities.  I should point out that I think something like the
average stock in the S&P 500 right now is in a bear market, off 20 percent
from the highs.

But do you see the U.S. economy strong enough to generate the growth that
will flow back to companies` bottom lines, or is that just not likely in
your view early this year?

ABLIN:  No, I`m actually pretty optimistic on the U.S. economy.  But I
would kind of equate it more to a hiking boot than a running shoe.  I think
the fact is that a lot of investors, policymakers, even Fed governors are
looking back at the early 2000s and saying that that`s our benchmark,
that`s where we need to go.

And the problem is that was a time when it was fueled by debt accumulation.
We`re not there anymore.  Households aren`t taking on debt.  In fact,
companies aren`t really spending much in their infrastructure.  So, I think
we have to adjust to a lower trajectory.  But I do think that we are making
slow and steady progress.

HERERA:  Gentlemen, good conversation.  Thank you so much.

WOLFE:  Thank you.

ABLIN:  Thank you.

HERERA:  Chris Wolfe with Merrill Lynch`s Wealth Management chief
investment office, Jack Ablin with BMO Private Bank.

MATHISEN:  Call it the China syndrome, the country at the epicenter of the
global sell-off.

Eunice Yoon reports from Hong Kong tonight on the plunge in that country`s
stock market and the decision to suspend its new stock market rules.


had its shortest trading day in its 25-year history, trading lasted less
than 30 minutes before circuit breakers were triggered for a second time
this week, cutting the day short.

All day today, Chinese investors have been calling for an end to the
circuit breakers, and late in the evening, they got their answer.  The
government announced it would suspend the circuit breakers Friday.

The breakers, which were only installed this year, added to the panic
despite being designed to calm investors down.  An online poll showed that
more than 86 percent of voters thought that the mechanism was not
reasonable.  The authorities also tried to limit the damage earlier in the
day by unveiling new rules, governing large shareholders who are hoping to
be able to unwind stocks after a six-month ban, which expires on Friday.
Regulators said that they would restrict the size of the shares sold by big
shareholders and require that the stocks be sold over time.

The securities regulator holds a weekly briefing after the market closes on
Friday so authorities could provide more clarity on their decisions.

For NIGHTLY BUSINESS REPORT, I`m Eunice Yoon in Hong Kong.


MATHISEN:  David Riedel joins us now with his perspective on why it seems
the entire world is suddenly watching Chinese stocks and their every move.
He`s president and founder of Riedel Research Group.

David, welcome.  Good as always to see you.

I understand why we in the media are paying as much attention to Chinese
stocks as we feel we must.  But I wonder whether we`re all paying too much
attention to it given the nature of the market and the fact that it seems
curiously untied to the fundamentals of the Chinese economy and driven by
domestic speculators.

right.  You hit the nail on the head.  Less than 10 percent of Chinese
households actually own stocks.  The ones that do are extremely speculative
and very trading-oriented.

The best year that we`ve seen in the Chinese stock market was 2014, when
the market was up 60 percent.  And if you and your viewers will remember,
that was a time when people were concerned about the slowdown in the
Chinese economy.  It is entirely divorced from fundamentals.

We shouldn`t be as worried about the Chinese stock market.  If people want
to talk about concerns over the Chinese economy, I`m all ears.  But the
Chinese stock market really shouldn`t be dominating our conversation.

HERERA:  Yes, we do have to deal with the fallout from the Chinese stock
market, even though as you say it`s devoid of fundamentals or separated
from fundamentals.

But how do U.S. investors ride that kind of bucking horse given what we saw
in today`s trading session?

RIEDEL:  Given the 24-hour news cycle, the fact that people trade around
the clock, you`re going to wake up in the morning to news about China.
It`s inevitable.  But I think people need to have the conviction that there
are stocks in their portfolio that have good fundamentals, good corporate
governance, and are good at getting earnings to the bottom line.

It`s basic investing.  You have to tune out the noise of Shanghai being up
or down so much in just one day.

MATHISEN:  You know, when you mix capitalism with communists who are at the
center of the party in Beijing, and you put in things like circuit breakers
that shut the market, it rarely, as Sue was saying off air a moment ago,
rarely turns out well.

Do you think the fact that they have done away with those circuit breakers
and the market will now be allowed to hit its natural price is actually a
good thing?  It may not be a comfortable thing, but is it ultimately a good

RIEDEL:  I think it is a good thing.  I think that 5 percent circuit
breaker and then the 7 percent shutdown breaker were really like waving a
red flag in front of a bull.  People were jockeying to be the first one to
be selling, to be first in line to sell, and then after the 15-minute
break, after the 5 percent drop, they wanted to be first in the next line
as well.

So I think this will allow retail investors to sell what they want to sell.
It will allow state-connected organizations to buy shares that they want to
buy.  I think tomorrow may well be the day that the market finds its feet –
– finds its footing and provides either a floor, a bottom, or an indication
of where we`re headed.

MATHISEN:  We will know by the time we wake up tomorrow.  David Riedel,
thank you very much.  David is with Riedel Research Group.

RIEDEL:  Thank you.

HERERA:  And a bit more now on China.  Richmond Federal Reserve President
Jeffrey Lacker says the Fed is watching what`s happening in that country
very closely.  He added, however, that it remains unclear what impact the
drop in the stock market and in the yuan will have on the U.S. economy.
And in a separate speech Chicago Fed President Charles Evans echoed those
comments, saying the central bank is monitoring global events.

MATHISEN:  Still ahead, the beaten down sector that was a bright spot in
today`s otherwise bleak market, but first, a look at the 30 stocks in the
Dow.  Walmart was the only one that closed higher on the session.


MATHISEN:  The number of Americans filing first-time unemployment benefits
fell last week.  Initial jobless claims dropped by 10,000 to a seasonally
adjusted 277,000.  That remains near historic lows.

In a separate report, global outplacement firm Challenger, Gray & Christmas
said planned job cuts last month fell to a 15-year low.  Positive news
ahead of tomorrow`s monthly employment report.

HERERA:  Bed Bath & Beyond (NASDAQ:BBBY) lowering its earnings guidance.
And that is where we begin tonight`s “Market Focus”.

The home goods retailer missed analysts` revenue expectations and also saw
its comparable sales fall by 0.4 percent.  Shares of the company were
volatile in after-hours trading.  During the regular session, the stock
fell about 1 percent to $46.51.

Another retailer, the container store, posted an unexpected loss last
quarter.  It also saw its comparable store sales growth miss expectations
and cut its earnings projections for the current fiscal year.  Shares of
the container store tumbled initially in after-hours trading.  In the
regular session, the stock fell roughly 5 percent to $7.18.

Walgreen (NYSE:WAG) Boots Alliance raising its 2016 guidance.  It beat
earnings expectations.  The drugstore giant is also in the middle of a
takeover of Rite Aid (NYSE:RAD) which if approved by regulators would
combine two of the three largest drugstore chains in the country.  Shares
of the company gained nearly 2 percent to $81.17.

K.B. Home reported worse than expected fiscal fourth quarter profit and
revenue numbers on softer than expected deliveries.  The home builder
blaming bad weather across parts of the country and labor shortages for
that weak report.  K.B. Home shares dropped nearly 15 percent in today`s
session to $10.05.

MATHISEN:  Cheers, everybody.

Constellation Brands (NYSE:STZ) saw its profits jumped 22 percent last
quarter as beer shipments grew.  Beverage brand giant said it will invest
$1.5 billion in a second Mexican brewery.  Shares of the company up 4.5
percent today.  $149.61 on a day like this.

What are you going to do?  That`s what you`re going to do.  You`re going to
reach for a little Modelo.

HERERA:  Modelo.

MATHISEN:  Ford making some changes to how its pension plans are accounted
for.  The company says that will boost reported profits and make its
results more apparent.  Shares of the automaker dropped 3 percent to

Time Warner (NYSE:TWX) Cable warning customers that 320,000 e-mail
addresses and passwords may have been stolen.  The company was notified of
the possible issue by the FBI, although it believes the data was gathered
through third-party vendors and not by a direct data breach.  Shares of the
cable provider fell fractionally today to $181.32.

And Boeing (NYSE:BA) had a record year for aircraft shipments in 2015.  The
plane maker delivered 762 aircraft to its customers, exceeding its target.
Even though deliveries were strong, shares fell along with the broader
market today.  They were down more than 4 percent at $133.01.

HERERA:  Amid the market rout there was a bright spot, and it came from a
sector that`s been bruised and beaten — retail.

Courtney Reagan explains why some companies in that sector bucked today`s
broader trend.


for investors as Wall Street gets the first indications from retailers
about how the holiday season went.  Many retail watchers were prepared for
rough results from Macy`s (NYSE:M).  So, the comparable sales drop of
nearly 5 percent wasn`t too surprising.

CEO Terry Lundgren set low expectations going into the holiday quarter
after releasing third quarter results.  Still, Macy`s (NYSE:M) is lowering
its earnings guidance for the fourth quarter and full year for the second
time.  But Macy`s (NYSE:M) is making moves to improve operations and save
money, including cutting more than 2,000 jobs.

But many analysts are still bullish on Macy`s (NYSE:M), focusing instead on
the 4 percent dividend yield, strong free cash flow, already steep share
declines since August, joint venture real estate exploration, and strong
online performance.

It was a tough holiday for Finish Line.  Disappointing sales leading the
retailer to lower its earnings guidance.  The athletic wear retailer will
close a quarter of its stores over the next four years.  And President Sam
Sato will take over as CEO at the end of February.

The unseasonably warm weather of much of the country pushed expectations
lower for many retailers as the holiday season wore on.  But for some, it
wasn`t as bad as feared.  JCPenney`s holiday sales improved nearly 4
percent over last year, and the department store also expects free cash
flow to be positive for its 2015 fiscal year.

Children`s Place says quarter to date comparable sales are up more than 7
percent.  As a result, it too is increasing fourth quarter earnings

Signet Jewelers was called out as a holiday winner by many analysts early
in the season.  The owner of Jared, Kay, and Zale (NYSE:ZLC) reports its
holiday sales improved nearly 5 percent over last year and it increased the
lower end of its previous fourth quarter guidance range.



HERERA:  Coming up, common mistakes individual investors make in a volatile
market like this, and how you can avoid them.

But, first, a look at the ten sectors that make up the S&P 500 — all of
them in the red today.


HERERA:  And here`s a look at what to watch tomorrow.  The December
employment report is due out before the bell.  Consensus is for a gain of
210,000 jobs created last month.  Global investors will want to see how
China`s stock market performs overnight now that those circuit breakers
have been suspended.  And the energy markets will be paying close attention
to the weekly oil rig count.  And that`s what to watch for on Friday.

MATHISEN:  With the Dow falling nearly 400 points today and more than 900
points this week alone, some may be wondering whether it`s time to make
changes to their portfolio.

So, we decided to find out what you`re doing with your money.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  I believe in the U.S. economy, and I think over time
it`s going to come back, and I`m not selling.  So I`m OK.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  I`m pretty young, right?  So you just hold on to it and
you wait for it to come back up.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Pay attention to what money you have and don`t panic.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  I`ve learned from like eight, nine years ago not to be
so risky with some of the funds I had.  So, now, it`s a little bit more
conservative.  So, I`ll be OK.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Just hang in there and ride it down and ride it back up


HERERA:  Our next guest says he`s been seeing and hearing from two types of
investors in this volatile market today.  He is Jeff Goldberg, branch
manager at TD Ameritrade`s retail office in New York City.

Welcome.  Nice to have you here, Jeff.


HERERA:  So, you said you heard from two types of investors.  What types of
investors have you been hearing from?

GOLDBERG:  Well, there are investors who have overly concentrated
positions.  And of course we talk to these people and reminds them they
should go back to their original strategy, they should go back to their
original goals and why they took those positions, and maybe it`s a good
opportunity to reevaluate and see if they`re still take the same risk, same
level of risk that they set out to take in the beginning.

MATHISEN:  You know, my wife will attest to this.  I`m always a look on the
bright side kind of guy.  She`s laughing right now.  She`s watching this at

But the way I look at market sell-offs like this, Jeff, is that the one
thing they do that is a positive is they force you to come face to face and
they put a real sharp point on what your risk tolerance is.  And if you`re
looking at your portfolio and they`re seeing it go down and this is too
much pain for you, isn`t that a learning opportunity?

GOLDBERG:  Well, absolutely.  And in fact, we believe that your portfolio
should be a reflection of the amount of risk you want to take, not
necessarily the amount of money you want to make.

MATHISEN:  On that note you say there are three mistakes that investors
commonly make and you say one, don`t get emotional, don`t abandon your
basically long-term investment strategy and goals, and then don`t
overreach.  Correct?

GOLDBERG:  Absolutely.  The one big advantage that institutional — you
know, professional investors have over the average self-directed investor
is they`re not emotionally attached to their investment.  And they can look
at it in a dispassionate way and evaluate what`s working, what`s not, where
they should be positioned.

In terms of your overall goals, most people start out investing for a
reason.  It`s either retirement.  Maybe it`s college planning.  There are a
lot of different reasons people invest.

And those reasons dictate, you know, how long an investment horizon they`re
looking at and what kind of risks they`re willing to take to get there.

The other mistake is people overreach.  So, you see a market down like it`s
been in the last few days and what a lot of people will do is take more
risk in the hopes of making that back.  And that`s usually not a good

So, usually, you want to make sure that your risk tolerance is in line with
what you`re comfortable.  You need to sleep at night.  If you`re putting
your head down on the pillow and staring at the ceiling and thinking about,
you know, what a market decline over a few days is going to do to your
life, then you`ve probably overextended your risk tolerance.

MATHISEN:  Let me ask you one quick question.  You said one of the
advantages institutions have over individuals is they aren`t emotionally
attached.  On the other hand, I`ve often thought, a quick answer, please,
that individuals have the advantage that they do not have a board of
directors or anybody to report to — unless it`s your spouse.

GOLDBERG:  Well, that`s an important board of directors.  That`s usually
the chairman.

MATHISEN:  Right, right.

GOLDBERG:  So, yes.  That`s true.


GOLDBERG:  But being able to make decisions without an emotional attachment


GOLDBER:  I`m sorry, people buy a stock and, you know, they don`t want to
be wrong.

HERERA:  Absolutely.  On that note, Jeff, thank you so much for the advice.
We appreciate it.  Jeff Goldberg with TD Ameritrade (NASDAQ:AMTD).

GOLDBERG:  Thank you.

MATHISEN:  And let`s give you another look at the rout on Wall Street
because we know you haven`t seen it enough.  The Dow Jones Industrial
Average plummeting 392 points, 16,514 the close.  Last four days, the Dow
has shed 910, NASDAQ off 3 percent, 146 points, S&P 500 lost 47.

HERERA:  And that is NIGHTLY BUSINESS REPORT for tonight.  I`m Sue Herera.
Thanks for joining us.

MATHISEN:  And thanks from me as well.  Have a great evening.  We`ll see
you back here tomorrow.


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